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Humanism rejects the duality of body and spirit,where this is very central to Mormonism. The idea of sin for Mormons is that it belongs to the individual who commits it, but it's still a reality. Humanism rejects the very concept of Divinity, where Mormons believe in God. Let's dig a little deaper next time.Troy Stotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15934764186136756231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35358990.post-1162254340192249892006-10-30T19:25:00.000-05:002006-10-30T19:25:00.000-05:00TT,This is an interesting post, but I don't know i...TT,<BR/>This is an interesting post, but I don't know if I can stick with you on the conclusions.<BR/><BR/>I don't know if I can see Mormonism as a form of humanism. Perhaps it could be argued that Joseph Smith's brand theology is humanistic, but I don't think modern Mormonism is. There are two reasons:<BR/><BR/>1) Humanism has a generally optimistic view of human nature. Mormonism sees those who remain in their natural state as 'enemies to God', and inherently sinful. Perhaps Mormonism's view of the spirit meshes with humanism, but the 'natural man' does not seem to.<BR/><BR/>2) Humanism expects humans to think for themselves, relying upon their rational capabilities to come to conclusions. I don't think this at all squares with BKP's idea that "The Mantle Is Far, Far Greater Than the Intellect". Some might claim that Packer's view is marginal within Mormonism, but I see modern Mormonism as being chiefly authoritarian. I don't see authoritarianism as being conducive with Humanism at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35358990.post-1162166876152898082006-10-29T19:07:00.000-05:002006-10-29T19:07:00.000-05:00My use of Sartre is only to make the point that hu...My use of Sartre is only to make the point that humanism has been considered a powerful good, especially in France and the US whose revolutionary beginnings were inspired by humanism. <BR/><BR/>I think that your idea about immortality is an important one, but I am wondering how important it is. Does immortality really change the moral calculus all that much between secular humanists and religious humanists?TGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13875218301740251947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35358990.post-1162024153797862022006-10-28T04:29:00.000-04:002006-10-28T04:29:00.000-04:00Well I'm not fan of Sartre. (I'm more along the l...Well I'm not fan of Sartre. (I'm more along the lines of Heidegger's Letter on Humanism)<BR/><BR/>However I do think that Mormonism, unlike more traditional Christian theology, does move things to a kind of humanism. But I think the rules are rather different than secular humanism due to our theology of immortality.<BR/><BR/>But I don't think for most Mormons ethics lies purely in God the way the medievals thought. Personally I notice in our history a strong tendency towards consequentialism of various sorts. But in that case are we that different from the secular humanists in terms of how we view the ground of ethics in human relationships and happiness? (Not that one can't be a secularist and a Kantian)Clark Goblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03876620613578404474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35358990.post-1162001113593212112006-10-27T22:05:00.000-04:002006-10-27T22:05:00.000-04:00I'm a little liberal-arts deficient, but I'll take...I'm a little liberal-arts deficient, but I'll take a stab at your question. Whereas the humanist is likely to see this life as the sum of an individual's existence (and therefore precious), Mormonism puts the individual into a larger (ie. eternal) context. Both are committed to helping people live well together, but it seems to me that Mormonism is more far-reaching in terms of the scope of the problem--eternal society.<BR/><BR/>Having said that, Mormonism has not always been the leader in helping people to live well together in <I>this</I> life.Jared*https://www.blogger.com/profile/04153451651313300826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35358990.post-1161986255403504732006-10-27T17:57:00.000-04:002006-10-27T17:57:00.000-04:00Yeah, I picked up the Sartre allusion right off .....Yeah, I picked up the Sartre allusion right off ... now I have to go actually read it in order to comment intelligently. Back tomorrow.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16545582642775796073noreply@blogger.com